One of the most exciting upcoming artists in punk music right now is Big Joanie; A London based band, consisting of three black females. They have performed all over the United Kingdom, appeared in national and worldwide music publications, with one main goal… to remind the world that People of Colour have always had a place in Punk music.
I spoke to the band’s lead singer, Stephanie Phillips, about everything from her growing up around Punk music, how the band was formed, the transformation of Punk music over time, and what Big Joanie has planned for the future.
WHAT WAS THE MUSIC SCENE LIKE GROWING UP IN WOLVES?
It’s a small city. There’s a small music scene, not as dynamic as London. Plus, I was too shy in Wolves. I left when I was 18 and came to London. There is much more awareness of music here.
HAVE YOU ALWAYS BEEN INTO PUNK MUSIC?
More or less. I started off as a kid listening to Aaliyah and Destiny’s Child. I then really started getting into female fronted bands.
Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Bratmobile, PJ Harvey. Women who would be expressing emotions. Their music taught me a lot about feminism and politics, which is something I needed to learn as a 16 year old girl. But all three of us do really love punk. We all love 60’s girl groups and Motown music.
HOW DID YOURSELF, CHARDINE AND ESTELLA MEET AND CREATE BIG JOANIE?
Well, I was living in London. I was in a punk band called My Therapist Says Hot Damn. We just used to gig. There was a gig called ‘First Timers’ and the point of this gig was to have bands that do something new and unique. It encourages marginalised people to get involved and do things they may usually not. After that, I wanted to start another band. I wanted to start a black punk band. Literally, I put it on Facebook. Chardine got back to me straight away. We had a bassist, but she moved to Glasgow. Then Estella stepped in. She can play everything. Drums, guitar, bass. Everything.
DID IT TAKE YOU GUYS A WHILE TO FIND YOUR SOUND OR WAS IT SOMETHING THAT CLICKED FROM THE BEGINNING?
It actually worked well from the beginning. I already had a few songs I had written and we clicked immediately. I think that’s why it works so well, because it’s never really been too hard for us. We complement each other, both in the sound we want and the things we want to achieve.
BIG JOANIE’S SONGS ARE VERY PASSIONATE, OFTEN WITH DEEP MEANINGS. WHAT ARE SOME TOPICS OR THEMES YOU GUYS PLAN TO DISCUSS IN FUTURE?
Usually when we write, I’ll come up with the basis of the song, but it is generally whatever is going around. Relationships, friendships, how it feels to be a black woman in the society that we are in. We have one song coming out that deals with people who fetishize black people. You know them people who say “I have one black friend”.
BIG JOANIE MAKES KNOWN THAT PEOPLE OF COLOUR HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A PART OF PUNK AND ROCK AND ROLL CULTURE. DO YOU THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN OVER TIME?
Definitely. I think it has definitely been forgotten. For a number of reasons too. The people that write history are more invested in creating an illusion that makes them feel bigger than they actually are. Throughout history, Punk and Rock and Roll is influenced by black culture. Even the people who went to gigs, took the photos, documented everything, they were black. The idea that it is just white people is ridiculous. Black people themselves do it too. We get stuck in investing in music that’s slick and well produced, like R&B. We as black people don’t appreciate that creating Punk music takes hard work too.
IS THAT THE AIM OF BIG JOANIE? TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT THESE TWO THINGS HAVE ALWAYS GONE TOGETHER.
Think back to the 1970’s. There would have been loads of black female punk rock bands. We think beyond what you see. A female black punk rock band is a normal thing.
BIG JOANIE HAS PERFORMED BOILER ROOM SETS AND FESTIVALS LIKE SUPERSONIC. WHAT WAS THE RECEPTION LIKE?
Generally a good reception. It’s nice to play those different gigs, because it’s not necessarily our audience. It’s nice to introduce ourselves to new people. I do sometimes get nervous before were about to go on stage, but once you’re out there, you get into the zone and don’t even know what’s happening. You just want to give as good a performance as you can. It’s nice to do gigs outside London.
The audience is always really enthusiastic. Outside of London people are more likely to sing along and show what they are really thinking, in my experience.
WHO ARE SOME ARTISTS THAT YOU WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH ONE DAY?
There’s so many people. It’s all about who you would complement. I love Sacred Pause, they’re a band from Glasgow. FKA Twigs. Erykah Badu. I’m not sure she would need my help with song writing though.
WHAT ARE SOME GOALS THAT BIG JOANIE HAVE SET FOR 2018?
Release our debut album.
DO WE HAVE A NAME?
Untitled as of now. But soon it will be about. We’re just thinking about last minute things. We want to tour more, go to Europe hopefully. We want to make a name for ourselves and make sure that people know what we are doing. Let people know about us. Have fun.
IS HAVING FUN WHILE DOING ALL THIS IMPORTANT FOR YOU?
It is. This is something that I have always wanted to do, but never had the confidence to do it. I am serious when needed. I think about the image I would want the 16 year old me to see. Three black women who are strong enough to rebel against society. We are outside the norm of how we’re expected to act.
words by Karan Teli | @karanteli24